Talk:2378

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I don't see how these episodes take place in 2378, as Endgame's stardate is 54xxx.x. As we know, all stardates within one year start with the same two digits. Stardates from earlier episodes in the seventh season also start with 54. Starting from 41xxx in 2364, 54 makes 2377. According to the stardates given, all of season seven takes place in 2377. ExAstris 17:52, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Although we can infer that the Voyager episode "Homestead" took part in 2378, on the 315th anniversary of First Contact, it isn't clear how many of the previous episodes may also have taken place in the same year. -- rebelstrike 18:01, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I can read, thank you. And that may very well have been in the plot, but it wouldn't be the first time writers make a mistake like that. I would say the stardate certainly takes precendence over any plot occurrences. ExAstris 18:18, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the stardates DO take precedent. There is no canon explanation to how they work. -- rebelstrike 18:23, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

No argument there. But such an explanation is included in the Star Trek Chronology (1996 edition, appendix I), written by the folks who actually work on Star Trek. Many ages and dates mentioned on the shows have been consistent with the system as laid out in that book, and as such, the stardate VS plot situation on Homestead creates an inconsistency at the very least. ExAstris 18:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I have to agree with Rebelstrike. Although the Chronology might be writen by people on Star Trek, that makes the source quasi-canon at best. Canon has to be strictly defined as what is on screen. This quote is, that information isn't.

And I don't believe the 'one year = 1,000 stardates' can work at all. If it did, stardates would have had to come in the 2320's, which clearly it didn't. The stardate system is full of contradictions and inconsitencies, and I believe that assuming the change of the 1,000's doesn't mean the change of a year solves more of these inconsistancies than not.

Simply though, this is an issue which we just simply don't have an answer. But this quote appeared in the episode; I'm inclined to accept it as canon unless someone can give me an on-screen canon evidence to contradict it. What do other people think? -- MiChaos 22:14, 9 May 2005 (UTC).

P.S. Also see conversation here.

About starting in the 2320's -- I agree they clearly didn't start then, but the system may have been changed, resetted or adapted or whatever by that time. And as Gene Roddenberry once said, inconsistencies in stardates reflect our limited understanding of our space-time continuum. But perhaps this is a discussion more fitted for the stardate page :) On the topic at hand - I'm willing to accept the plot takes place in 2378, but to me personally, the stardate refers to 2377. We have no on-screen evidence to prove or disprove this, so I guess it'll remain a matter of personal conviction. -- ExAstris 18:04, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Let us not forget that changes in the stardate may come about due to the relativistic effects of space travel, namely the speed of the vessel and its location in the galaxy. And since USS Voyager is in the Delta Quadrant, thousands of light years away from Federation space, it is possible that the stardate would be different as a result. --Shran 04:30, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But wouldn't this render the stardate system very incorrect and unpractical? If say, a series of vessels meet up with eachother and they have widely differing stardates, wouldn't that lead to much confusion? Everyone would be operating with different numbers. 85.19.140.9 14:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This site widely believe in the one year, one season logic, For TNG this is great, not so great for TOS. Anyways, Another assumption is that all episodes of a season take place in the same year. Truth is the years seem to follow a Season more or less. Starting in the latter half of a year, ending in the next year. In TOS they show this in Charlie X a Thanksgiving episode, then the fact that they recently had a Christmas party in "Dagger of the Mind", in TNG we have Data's Day which takes place on October 24th 2367. As the 11th episode of the season that only leaves bout 2 months for the rest of the 15 episodes of the season.

The truth is I believe the year of Data's Day ends between Data's Day and QPid because of the mention of Picard's trip to Risa last year. Unfortunately this even works to saying a season resents on year since "Captain's Holiday" was in the previous season. But even Enterprise works off the season year split theory of mine. The problem with integrating this into Memory Alpha is we don't have enough data to split every season, even the split I brought up with QPid gives you 8 episodes to figure out the split, also knowing that Captain's Holiday takes place in the same year as Data's Day. If you understand that great, if not I can make a calendar. --TOSrules 04:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

someone has recently placed "endgame" into 2378. are we agreed that this is incorrect? Deevolution 08:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Pretty much. The episode clearly stated they had been in the Delta Quadrant for seven years, and two episodes prior took place on the 315th anniversary of First Contact (2063 + 315 = 2378). There's really no way anyone can disagree with it since it's canon and since stardates have been proven to be unreliable in telling when an episode is set. --From Andoria with Love 08:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. See: Forum:Date of Voyager's Return (since this conversation is like all over the place. --Alan del Beccio 03:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Endgame"'s Tech

Removed:

• Starfleet starts research on transphasic torpedos and a futuristic version of the ablative hull armor.

We have no canon proof of this, certainly not from Nemesis. Even if we were to speculate, I'd imagine the Department of Temporal Investigations might stop research into it, or something involving the Temporal Prime Directive. -AJHalliwell 04:19, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC) Again, removed this:

• Research commences on the futuristic technology brought by the alternate-timeline Admiral Kathryn Janeway, which includes the transphasic torpedo and the futuristic ablative hull armor.