Talk:Black hole

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This article is interesting, but doesn't cite its sources and is not written entirely from a Trek perspective. I will try to work on both. Aholland 15:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• It also needs to refect that in the first movie we are told that Black hole is a term that has fallen out of favor. "What they use to call a Black hole" --TOSrules 20:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Good point! Aholland 21:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I know the term Black hole has been brought up in a TNG environment, but just because the term is no longer popular, does not mean that it is not used. Just that those of a scientific mind don't use that term. --TOSrules 21:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• I may have misunderstood your point, but given that Q, Riker, Geordi, and even Data use the term "black hole", I presume that the 24th Century has reinstated the term.Aholland 02:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I understand your points, I just wanted to explore the possibilities of it still not being a scientific term. Currently the article offers no proof of it being in use again in the 24th century, it just dictates that idea. --TOSrules 03:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• The proof is in the dialogue in the following TNG episodes: Deja Q, The Loss, and Timescape. It is consistently used in the latter two by scientifically trained Starfleet officers. In Timescape, Data (who has never been accused of using imprecise language) says to Picard "I believe his species mistook the artificial singularity, which the Romulans use in their engine, for a natural one . . . a black hole." I do not believe it credible that Data would misuse a term like that in that way, or that he would use anything other than the most scientifically relevant term in the context of the conversation. I don't know of any better proof for purposes of canon or inclusion in the article than consistent use in scientifically relevant conversations by trained scientists in multiple episodes.Aholland 04:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't doubt you, I just said that the article does not offer proof yet. --TOSrules 04:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• I added the episode/movie references next to the relevant statements. Aholland 04:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Although John Wheeler officially coined the term 'Black Hole' during a presentation... somewhere, I forget... in 1967, the term 'black hole' had already been used among others for decades (much to the shagrin of the French, who refused to use the term because of it's sexual nature). Keras 01:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. What reference are you using for this? Aholland 02:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parallax

Some maintain that the event horizon in "Parallax" should not have acted on Voyager in the manner it did, seeing as Voyager is a faster-than-light starship. However, given the space-time irregularities that are believed to occur within a black hole, one could speculate that a dekyon beam was necessary even for a faster-than-light ship to escape.

Some maintain sounds like a nitpick to me. Sure it may not have been a proper action but it's a sci-fi show. I won't remove it unless others feel that way as well. :) – Morder 08:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Kill the nitpick! --!!!! – The preceding unsigned comment was added by OuroborosCobra (talk • contribs) .

Not sure why there's no signature...but it's been slaughtered! :) – Morder 08:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Very odd typo, those "!!!!" should be the four "~" --OuroborosCobra ^talk 08:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

There are four "!"'s! --From Andoria with Love 01:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)