Talk:Excelsior class

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[edit] Maximum Speed

Do we have any reference for a maximum warp-speed in a canon-source? --Örlogskapten 09:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Although a line cut from the Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country script indicated that Sulu ordered the ship to "warp nine" to get to Khitomer in time. "Maximum warp" was mentioned in Star Trek Generations, but no factor was given. "High warp" was stated in "Tin Man", again no factor. "Maximum warp" was again mentioned in "Flashback", but again, no factor given. On a vaguer note, in "Paradise Lost", O'Brien was concerned about what "tinkering" that may have been "done to [the Lakota's] warp drive." That's about all there is to work with. --Alan 04:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Registry chronology "theory"

I removed:

• While there is no on-screen information to directly establish how long the Excelsior prototype was under construction, a clue may be found in the fact that in the early 2270s, there already existed an active-duty vessel with a registry 120 units higher than Excelsior's (the dreadnought USS Entente (NCC-2120)). If registry numbers are assigned sequentially, then Excelsior would have been in existence prior to that point.

• A decade plus might be considered an extended developmental period, but the fact that Starfleet was still tinkering with transwarp nearly a century later makes the amount of time spent on the prototype easier to understand.

• Many Excelsiors seen in TNG and later series have high registry numbers concurrent with the ships being built decades after the prototype but share its basic design.

This would be all well and good if there was a canon reference to registry number sequences being derived by date.

• After-action reports indicated that Captain Scott had succeeded in sabotaging the transwarp drive. The complexity of its design was its weakness, and the Excelsior returned to spacedock under impulse power.

Also, "after-action reports" and the entire last sentence were not referenced in any way. The Excelsior went kaput, and that was the last of that. --Alan del Beccio 02:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed about the after action reports bit...not that it is unsourced per se, but it is already covered elsewhere in the article.

The rest I reformatted and returned to the article (since I WROTE much of it in the first place), making it clear it is BACKGROUND information, not part of the "canon" article.Capt Christopher Donovan 03:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed it, as I stated, not because I have my head up my ass and don't know what I am doing, but because there is no evidence regarding registry number assignments ever referenced it trek to support such speculation. In the future, it would be much appreciated if the discussion of questionable removed content was actually discussed before it was readded. Thanks. --Alan del Beccio 03:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You mean other than the fact that registry numbers increase over time (as in between eras in general)...the older the ship, the smaller the number (conversely the newer the ship, the newer the number).

If the background note needs to be reworked to reflect that, we can work on it...Capt Christopher Donovan 03:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

One issue here... registry numbers tend to increase over time. We can only assume that they always do, and that they indicate ship creation dates. Tend is not does.

Not knowing the "formula" for registry assignment, we can only assume so much from what facts exist: older ships tend to have lower registries... that's all we can figure. As such, that isn't definitive. So, we can't base any dates on that. At all. -- Sulfur 02:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed

• Some fandom works interject that this class was named in honor of a lost-in-action USS Excelsior NCC-1718, of a subclass of the Constitution design. This is due to the fact that this ship name was originally proposed in the auxiliary list of possible Constitution ship names circulated behind-the-scenes in the last two years of The Original Series. This list was the basis of a ship list (the Bonhomme-Richard subclass) in Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual. This is how that ship's existence was further perpetuated, even though that manual is no longer taken as a canon reference by the producers.

Removed "fandom" from "apocrypha" section --Alan 03:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)