Talk:Harry Kim

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Contents 1 S.L.? 2 PNA 3 Operations Manager? 4 Early Life? 5 From eBay 5.1 Cochrane Medal of Excellence 5.2 Academy Diploma 5.3 Extension Course Certificate 5.4 Flight Proficiency Award 6 Kaltoh pic 7 Harry's ethnicity 8 Reason for being ensign? 9 temporal significance ? 10 death

[edit] S.L.?

What does the S.L. stand for in his name ? -- Q 07:43, 10 Apr 2005 (EDT)

The L was chosen in honour of David Livingston. (I saw this somewhere online, but I can't find the reference at the moment, sorry.) I have no idea what the S stands for. We don't know what S.L. means to Harry himself. Randee15 17:06, 10 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Wait, where is the source that his middle name(s) is S.L.? Was it on a computer screen at some point, his academy diploma??? This seems like it should be removed. - AJ Halliwell 22:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It is from his personnel file seen in "Non Sequitur". --Jörg 22:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It's also on his Academy Diploma, same episode. (Readin yer "Federation Logos" thing....) - AJ Halliwell 22:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

S.L.? Which episode gave those as his middle initials?– Watching... ^listening... 23:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Scrap that. Got the answer from the 1st post... sorry.– Watching... ^listening... 00:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PNA

I added the PNA template because this article (and most of the other Voyager character articles) have a lot of information cluttered together. This info needs to be formatted better. --Galaxy001 00:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I know my additions with the years are a little clunky, but that text needed to be broken up somehow. I rewrote a few sections, into a more Harry-centric tone, rather than an episode-synopsis tone. I wanted to highlight some of Harry's command experiences, especially in (VOY: "Warhead") and welcome any improvements to this crazy time-stamp thing I squeezed in -- the time-stamps may need to be moved around, as I didn't do detailed research in the exact times of the episodes, and instead based it times off the existing text. It will definitely make it easier to edit, since instead of editing a huge "Aboard Voyager" section, we can take this mess in chunks. I really hate how some of these episode synopses are written, but I don't have the time to fix em all! o.O vorik111 02:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operations Manager?

Does anyone know if Harry Kim is the highest ranking Ops officer on Voyager? If I was the Captain, I'd have someone with more experience at that post, rather than a very young Ensign. Perhaps all the other ops people got killed during "Caretaker", or maybe Ops and Engineering was merged to make up for lost crewmembers, like on DS9, where Miles O'Brien is incharge of Ops and Engineering. Apparently it doesn't matter what rank the person is. I just saw "Investigations", and it would appear that the Operations Manager can even fire the weapons if needed. Actually, does anyone remember seeing other Ops people on Voyager? Zsingaya 15:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Lieutenant Ayala filled in for him occasionally. Also, in Caretaker, he was assigned as the Chief of Operations, so presumably he sort of outranked those who actually outranked him, it's confusing. Also, Lieutenant Andrews was at Ops until Harry came in the first episode too. - AJ Halliwell 22:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The difference between rank and position. Position comes first. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 23:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Its true... Harry was mentioned from the beginning, to be assigned as Chief, meaning he outranked anyone who worked in the department with him. This also occurred when Wesley was assigned to the science team in "Pen Pals" -- even though Wesley was only an acting ensign, with much less authority or seniority, he was still in charge of the other more senior scientists because he was placed in such a position. -- Captain M.K.B. 01:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Also remember, O'Brien was only a CPO, while some of the people under his command were L. Comm's. Position definitely means more than rank.– 72.43.160.6 14:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early Life?

How much is known about Harry's early life? The bio starts with his starfleet career, but the clown in The Thaw hints at some interesting experiences of Harry's as a child. Wheatleya 22:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From eBay

From eBay [1], 6 images:

• Cochrane Medal of Excellence
• Academy Diploma
• Extension course certificate
• Flight Profiency Award
• Harry and Libby
• and Libby and Harry

[edit] Cochrane Medal of Excellence

THE ZEFRAM COCHRANE INSTITUTE

FOR ADVANCED THEORETICAL PHYSICS

PRESENTS

THE COCHRANE

MEDAL OF EXCELLENCE

TO

HARRY S. L. KIM

For outstanding undergraduate

contributions in warp theory in the

development of tertiary field projection

equations for tetrion warp coil

simulation programming.

Presented stardate 47302.5

Leah Brahms

 ???, Zefram Cochrane Institute

for Advanced Theoretical Physics

Gene Roddenberry

Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command  ??? ???

 ??? United Federation of Planets

[edit] Academy Diploma

the Joseph Carey diploma is shown. This is assuming it is the same with Harry's name replaced.

Upon ??? ??? ??? ???:

STARFLEET ACADEMY

(2371 Starfleet symbol)

HARRY KIM

 ??? ??? ???

 ??? ??? ???

 ??? ??? ???

 ??? ??? ???

 ??? ??? United Federation of Planets.

 ??? Stardate ??? June 6, 2???.

 ??? ??? Gene Roddenberry

Commandant, Starfleet Academy Chief of Staff, Starfleet Command

[edit] Extension Course Certificate

CERTIFICATE OF

COMPLETION

ISSUED TO

HARRY S. L. KIM

(academy symbol)

FOR SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION

OF ACADEMY EXTENSION COURSE #4077

ENGINEERING DEEVELOPMENT [sic]

IN NON-HUMANOID SOCIETIES

FALL SEMESTER, 2371

C??? S???

INSTRUCTOR

??? ???

DEAN OF STUDENTS

[edit] Flight Proficiency Award

STARFLEET ACADEMY

FLIGHT PROFICIENCY AWARD

Presented to

CADET HARRY KIM

Falcon Squadron

Third Academy Training Wing

CAPT. DAVID LIVINGSTON   CAPT. BRAD YACOBIAN

Wing Commander            Squadron Leader

CAPT. BRANNON BRAGA CAPT. JERRY FLECK

Flight ??? Academy Flight Ops

[edit] Kaltoh pic

In this article, the Kal-toh image doesn't show up in my browser (it just shows a link above the caption). I've looked at the formatting on the page and it seems the same as for the surrounding images. The image link must be correct because removal of the "thumb" displays the image properly at full size. What's the deal? – Cleanse 07:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Might be something wrong with your browser. It appears just fine both here and in the article for me. I suggest clearing your cash (ctrl+F5) --OuroborosCobra ^talk 08:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's just Firefox, works fine in IE. I cleared the cache but it still doesn't work in FF. It's not a real issue seeing that its the only image on MA that doesn't show up. Thanks for your help – Cleanse 08:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harry's ethnicity

Is he Korean, as implied by his family name? Chinese, as is Garrett Wang himself?Toddsschneider 02:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

In terms of personal speculation, I'd go by "Kim" and say Korean, although for some reason he has decided to put his surname last, unlike Korean tradition. As for canon, I don't believe it is ever stated. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 05:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

It makes you wonder if the producers were just trying to be politically correct and try to appeal to as many Asians as possible by making him non-specific, and hence quite inauthentic. As for the placement of his names, his family is "Americanized" (with names like John and Mary), so the great melting-pot of today continues into the future.Toddsschneider 11:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reason for being ensign?

Was it ever explained why he was never promoted in the 7 years Voyager was out there? Even though others like Tom Paris got demoted, then promoted again. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.119.185.104 (talk).

I don't believe it was ever addressed specifically. I think his Mom offered to write a letter to Janeway asking why he hadn't been once she had heard he was still an Ensign(in the 7th Season) but they didn't say any more about it. --31dot 20:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It's the one thing that bothers me about voyager. Even the maquis crewmembers got promoted. But then again maybe provisional and crewmen ranks are all the captains are authorized to do. But, im not too sure. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.119.185.104 (talk).

If he is an Ensign, why is he considered a senior officer? (in "The Cloud") – Distantlycharmed 19:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Off topic question, but the answer is that position and grade aren't the same thing. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 20:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Back to the original question, this was actually specifically addressed, twice, in Season 7. The following, from "Nightingale", is the best explanation:

• KIM: "I've been on Voyager for almost seven years and I'm still an Ensign."
• JANEWAY: "If this is your way of bucking for a promotion."
• KIM: "No, no, I understand there's a command structure and that our circumstances are unique, but the fact is, if we were back home, I'd be a Lieutenant by now. Maybe even a Lieutenant Commander."

What 31dot was close to cracking, and contrary to his reply, was the weaker of the two explanations:

• JOHN KIM: "So when is she giving you a promotion?"
• HARRY KIM: "It's a small ship. There are only so many command positions available."

These last two lines were taken from "Author, Author". --Alan 21:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] temporal significance ?

in a lot of the episodes harry seems to have great importance in alternate versions of the ship be it alternate time lines or copy of the crew – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.60.204.114 (talk).

Yeah...seems he has better luck then. --Alan 21:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] death

Removed:

• "2372 (replaced by alternate timeline duplicate for the remainder of the show)"

...exists in article. oh and it's not an alternate timeline it was a duplicate voyager caused by whatever it was — Morder 08:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)