Talk:Kitbash
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If this page should even be here, it needs a better definition, formatting, examples, everything. -Platypus Man | Talk 20:22, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Yes, well I know. I just thought i'd add least something to get it started - Mackie :)
- Probably best categorized as Category:Star Trek, as is it was a common behind-the-scenes term. --Alan del Beccio 09:29, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
By canon, only the Curry type and Yeager type vessels had specifically been identified as kitbash starships. The kitbash models employed for various other class starships do not necessarily suggest that these other starships were kitbash in canon. --Fenian 09:37, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Actually the Curry type and Yeager type were never referred to "by canon" as being kitbashed as neither the ship names, types or the term "kitbash" was never used on screen in conjunction with these models. Again, a behind-the-scenes term used in conjuction with behind-the-scene references. --Alan del Beccio 09:43, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- We seem to be splitting hairs, here. I concede the term "kitbash" is a 20th century colloquialism. By the Frankenstein fleet's very nature, however, these vessels were kitbashed by Starfleet.--Fenian 09:55, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- That's not necessarily true either. Canon implies that these vessels were referred to as "kitbash" (or "Frankenstein Fleet") somewhere in the dialogue or other on screen reference--but alas, they were not. In fact, the term "kitbash" is (again) a behind-the-scenes term, where the term "canon" really doesnt apply. For that matter, the Curry type and Yeager type were not the only vessels that "kitbash" applied to as that term dated back to the vessels that first appeared in the graveyard scene from "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II"/"Unification I", which includes the Cheyenne class, Challenger class, etc. If anything, the Yeager and Curry were the first to be reference to (off screen) as being part of the "Frankenstein Fleet", which I'm not even sure was a term used by the Star Trek production staff, but is something that cropped up in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual. --Alan del Beccio 10:16, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- We seem to be splitting hairs, here. I concede the term "kitbash" is a 20th century colloquialism. By the Frankenstein fleet's very nature, however, these vessels were kitbashed by Starfleet.--Fenian 09:55, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- the frankenstein fleet as proposed in the DS9TM made no logical sense anyway. most of these ships used components that were not even from the same era, much less the same design style, and trying to mix and match the parts involved to produce a viable ship would take more effort and time than just building a brand new ship. you'd have to rip out every conduit, hallway, and room, and then dismantle half the superstructure to attach the parts properly, then you'd have to design and install a totally new interior arrangement to make the ship operate. and that doesn't even begin to touch on the scaling issues. because the filming models were built with parts from many different scale models, you end up with some parts being undersized while other are oversized. the Centaur would scale to the Exclesior, were it not for that Miranda pod. at excel scale, the pod is too big. at miranda scale, the rest of the parts are obviously too small to be excel parts. the curry type has Constitution nacelles with excel hull and saucer. scaled to the excel, the nacelles are far too large to be off a connie. scaled to a connie, the excel parts are too small to be off an excel. the only reasonable explanation is that these really were regular classes of ships, or perhaps limited run prototypes, that were built from the start in those configurations, using no salvaged parts. -Mithril 02:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Mackie: Firstly, im sorry I dont know how to properly use the discussion feature of wiki so hope you dont mind ;P Secondly, kitbashes ARE NOT just created by production staff. Alot of the ships in ST games are fan created kitbashes, Ive done some 150 of them in the past few years my self. Only the minority of the 'kitbashes' are actually created by official production staff, most of them are made by fans from either plastic real models 3d models.
Thing is, the game and fan designs are not the focus of this wiki. the show and movies are. so the focus of the kitbash article should be on the models seen in the shows. perhaps though, a line to the effect of Kitbashing is very popular in fan circles, and has produced countless fan designs. should be added to reflect how prevalent the method is outside the show. -Mithril 01:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)