Talk:President of the United States

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[edit] References

I can't check it now, but I'd suggest that ENT: "Storm Front" and "Storm Front, Part II" should be consulted for more references: I think there's a dialogue reference to Roosevelt, and visual references to Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II in the "timeline-resetting" scene with Daniels at the end of Part II. --Josiah Rowe 04:04, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

Also, is there a way to make the Talosian citation that isn't so repetitive? A footnote, perhaps? Just a thought. --Josiah Rowe 04:05, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

I did create a subsection with this footnote in order to have the footnote-reference linked to the bootom of the page. Feel free to revert if this is too clumsy. -- Florian - Talk 05:03, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

I originally wrote this article to stick to on screen evidence. That's why I left out the years for President Johnson, they never actually showed the years, just his number as president. Roosevelt 's year was not from "the Cage" as you know, so I only provided on screen evidence. But if you want to transpose real world info that's fine.

Just remember if there is enough information beyond the basics in this article, you should make a full article on the president. No opinions on the president, those belong in articles (if canon). Maybe I am babbling, but I just needed to say that.

One other thing, Grant was brought up in "The Savage Curtain" although never called a president. I don't know if he should be included. --TOSrules 15:36, 17 Mar 2005 (EST)

I think every president mentioned by name in dialogue is deserving of his own article: this includes George Washington (TNG: "The High Ground"), FDR, Grant, etc -- Captain Mike K. Bartel^talk 16:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't like the brief descriptions on this page. It is my opinion that the info on the people should be supplied at their respected links. Also, I think presidants with things named after them in trek (Like Truman), should be listed but not linked, with a (See:...) after them, the way cities are listed at Japan. Tyrant 21:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)Tyrant

My responce is dependent on what you mean, The number and years of presidency should be listed, because we do that with all the leaders like the Klingons, or Federation rulers term. Altough I do have to agree the Nixon one goes to far, it should just be his number as prez, and years of service like the rest of the presidents. Roosevelt should remain the same because the extra data still has to do with his term in office. --TOSrules 22:07, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to see it simple; names and dates, one line per person. More detailed info provided at the individual's page. Tyrant 22:09, 18 May 2005 (UTC)Tyrant

I think I've made it more appropriate. Any additional notes/footnote information should be placed on the individuals page. --Gvsualan 00:29, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Presidents Named in Trek

So some of these guys, like Washington, clearly have references within Trek. But I don't know about others. For instance, where is George W. Bush referenced? Without some citations, we may have to pull a few of these people from the article. I'll note the article as needing cites to help pull a few in. Aholland 02:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I know that Bush is in one of the "Storm Front II" episodes from ENT (uncredited mind you, along with Tony Blair). According to the Bush entry, his state of the union speech was also referenced in "Future Tense". Sulfur 03:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I missed the Storm Front scene, evidently. Thank you for pointing me in the right place! Aholland 03:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End of the Presidency...or is it?!

("Captain Proton like dramatic-cliffhanger music plays") Um, one thing I haven't understood about the logic here on MA is that the United States (and all countries for that matter) stopped existing after United Earth was formed. Maybe I just missed a huge citation of it, but if this was specifically said- point me to it. I've always felt that after the UE was formed (and even the Federation) the countries continued to exist, still electing their own leaders (Presidents, in this case) etc. But all I see is "former nation-state" all over the place.

Anyway- the reason I'm bringing this up (no, unlike a n00b just ranting about Trek that Gv' would yell at, I have a point) in "Carbon Creek" (which I watched today) Trip mentions that if Mestral lived out his life, he'd have witnessed over 30 US Presidents. Now if my math is right, that's (presuming mass assassinations don't occur) about 120 years, minimum. 1957 + 120 = 2077. So the presidency lasts at least until well after WWIII, and First Contact. Any comments or corrections, you may now proceed. - AJ Halliwell 07:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, I can think of one episode that "might" give people that idea. In TNG: "Attached", Picard and Dr. Crusher are talking about planets joining the Federation were not everyone on the planet is in agreement. She says something like "Think about Earth -- what if one of the old nation-states, say Australia, had decided not to join the World Government in twenty-one fifty? Would that have disqualified us from being a Federation member?"

I can see how some people might interperet that to mean that the nation-states no longer exist. I would argue, though, that simply calling them old does not mean they no longer exist, only that they are old! It also does not imply that they still exist, unfortunetly.

The fact that they joined they joined a world government might imply an end to nation-states, or it might imply something like the United States today, where each individual state still has its own government, operating under the federal government.

That help at all? --OuroborosCobra 07:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

We don't know what will happen to all the former countries during the next 2 centuries. Maybe some of them will collapse or still exist. Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia are actual examples that the world changes, so we can't base the Trek future on the actual one. This dialogue "An alien is left on Earth in the 1950s lives through... what, 30 Presidents?" only confirms according to your calculations that USA still exist in the 2070s. We previously knew that the 52 stars flag existed from 2033 to 2079. What happened after is unknown. See United States of America#Background

To my mind, even if the government is unified, states will still keep some powers. Earth government deals with galactic and international issues, whereas former countries could debate local issues. But we don't know which countries will survive (UK at least until the 2150s, maybe USA), which powers they will have,... The only canonical information we have is that all the former countries joined the United government. - Philoust123 13:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the little jab there AJ... --Alan