Talk:Tribunal (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Image use 3 Featured article discussion 4 Who played the Maquis member? 5 Removed comment 6 Terminology

[edit] Image use

Here are my suggestions for improving the use of images in this article, bearing in mind I've not seen this episode in its entirety before. Feel free to add comments below each bullet, especially if you think that the image does serve an important purpose. -- SmokeDetector47 // talk 18:15, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

• Image:Miles_and_Keiko_awkward.jpg -- can be and is stated in the article through words, no real need to show what it looks like.
• Image:Image:Obrien spotlight.jpg and Image:Makbar checkup.jpg -- seems to me that these images can be combined with focus on O'Brien's "checkup"... why not replace them with one showing the examination (which could then be reused on a page about the Cardassian judicial system)
• Image:Keiko outraged.jpg -- reaction shot of Keiko. Does not show anything unique or otherwise needed to understand what's going on.
• Image:Odo and Obrien.jpg -- we know what both characters look like; they're not doing anything special or in any special environment.
• Image:Odo in court.jpg -- again, he's not doing anything specifically interesting or in an interesting location.
• Image:Obrien in court.jpg -- same as previous two images and is also very similar to the first title image. Is there any way the above three images can be replaced with a wider view of the trial?

I've edited the page to address your concerns, which were justified. I'll address each image:

• • Miles and Keiko: Took it out and put in one of the voice recording taken by Boone; this can be used in an article (there's a dead link right now) on voiceprints for forgery and such.
  • Obrien spotlight: I replaced it with a picture of the anonymous Cardassian interrogator, it includes the light that was shone on O'Brien so the title still fits.
  • Makbar checkup: I kept it in, because with the new version showing them in his cell, I think it adds to the article when viewed alongside the new version of Obrien spotlight.
  • Keiko outraged: Took out.
  • Odo and Obrien: As you said, you haven't seen the episode. This was a key scene in the episode (I think) because Odo gained new insights about O'Brien and also see the quotes section for a quote between the two of them.
  • Odo in court: Replaced with one called Cardassian courtroom, which shows the seating arrangement; it's as close to a holistic view as there is.
  • Obrien in court: Removed from the article.

Hopefully this is better, your suggestions did improve the article so I appreciate the specific input as opposed to a simple "Too many images" or something. :) --Schrei 02:45, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article discussion

• Self nomination. I figure why not, since you guys liked the last one. --Schrei 07:59, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Support. You've definitely got my vote. An excellent summary on one of the more psychological episodes. I agree about the criticism over the deus ex machina-style ending though.--Scimitar 15:09, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Support, excellently written! — THOR 15:43, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Huge Support I agree just like the other one this is excelently written, organized, complete, and just great. You really have talent as a writer. I'll support anything you put up here if you keep this up. Also, you seem to be picking all my farvote episodes. Tobyk777 00:33, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • Please dont support an article soley because it; A: contains one of you favorite episodes, B: is nominated or written by a favored community member. Judge each article on its own merit w/o putting personal beliefes into it. --Kahless 07:18, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC) This has been your favorite neighborhood Klingon
  • Kahless is right - I think Garak once said "I find your blind adoration both flattering and disturbing." :) --Schrei 07:57, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Mild oppose. While it seems as if the episode summary is extremely detailed and well-written, I'm still slightly weary of the image use, which is what doomed previous featured nominees like "Force of Nature", which is also very well-written but failed to become featured due to image use concerns (which were never really completely addressed to my satisfaction). I'll flag the images I think could probably be removed in the talk page; feel free to discuss or state why they should be kept or removed there. -- SmokeDetector47 // talk 18:01, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • See talk page and article for my revisions. Like I said on the talk page, I really appreciate the specific feedback rather than simply opposing it for a general reason. --Schrei 02:51, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • My concerns were all taken into account... thanks Schrei! The article now has my full support. -- SmokeDetector47 // talk 03:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Support. Excellent summary, great pics. Great start for a new MemoryAlphan. - AJHalliwell 21:03, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Support - Tough Little Ship 21:17, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who played the Maquis member?

Is the guy who played him an unknown performer? Or have we accidentally said that Julian Christopher played a Cardassian when he could have played the Maquis? -- Tough Little Ship 20:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the actor who played the Maquis Member , but Julian Christopher appeared as the Cardassian Inquisitor ( and not only his voice) who stood in the shadow. a picture of Julian Christopher is here http://je83.kapsi.fi/smallville/?sivu=roolit/sivuroolit (scroll down the page).– Tom 21:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed comment

I removed the following as it has nothing to do with Star Trek or the episode in question (in other words, it's not background info pertaining to the episode, like it's supposed to be) and is also based on the beliefs/observations/determinations, etc. of an individual person. Hardly encyclopedic. --From Andoria with Love 16:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The episode focuses heavily on repressive and Orwellian aspects of the Cardassian criminal justice system, such as presumption of guilt, lack of habeas corpus, and lack of constitutional safeguards for the accused. Although the Cardassian legal system as depicted is probaby based on eastern-bloc Cold War systems, it is interesting to note that in the years since the episode was produced, the United States has at times adopted similar methods in its Global War on Terror.

[edit] Terminology

I wanted to inquire about whether or not a Holo-cam, as the term is used in Act I of the episode, is one in the same as a Holo-imager. If they are, could the term "Holo-cam" in this article be linked to the Holo-imager article and that article be edited accordingly to incorporate "an also known as" in its introductory line? If they're not the same, why aren't there separate articles? --BloodMalice 01:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

We have a redirect already for Holo-camera to Holo-imager. If they did just use "Holo-cam" in this ep, that could also redirect to Holo-imager. – Cleanse 01:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed your updates to the Holo-imager article. Thanks for adding in the Tribunal reference as well as the redirect. --BloodMalice 01:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)