Talk:Who Mourns for Adonais? (episode)

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Contents 1 Episode talk page 1.1 Maintenance links 2 Removed from Background 2.1 More 2.2 More 2.3 More 3 Mistake in the "Background" section 4 We find the one quite adequate 5 Quotes section

[edit] Removed from Background

I removed all of the following from background for POV or nitpicking:

• The destruction of Apollo's temple, combined with Fred Steiner's incredible music score, is a very impressive special effects sequence, closely mirrored by a much less interesting phaser barrage on Vaal a few episodes down the road.
• Chekov's comments about Russians being responsible for all of the greatness of humanity were intended to be a regular feature. But except for this episode, "Friday's Child", "The Trouble with Tribbles", Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country and an aside about the Garden of Eden being "just outside Moscow" in "The Apple", this did not end up happening.

So it never happened, except for 5 times? Notes like this are just ridiculous. In general, TOS episodes need a massive cleanup for background information to avoid this. – Cleanse 23:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

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I have removed the note that James Doohan did the flying stunt involving Scotty being zapped by Apollo. Despite Doohan’s claims in his autobiography, Jay Jones did the actual stunt (it’s even mentioned in his Wiki entry). A simple freeze frame of the DVD will show it wasn’t Doohan at all. Scott son of Pete 16:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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Removed the following as a nitpick as well as opinion(whether something is notorious or not). If such a statement can be corroborated from a production source that it was an "example of cost-cutting", it can go back.

In one of the more notorious examples of cost-cutting in the series, the Enterprise's attack on Apollo's temple is represented by a still picture of the Enterprise firing her phasers, with sound effects dubbed over the top.--31dot 19:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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More:

• In the teaser, Spock affirms that "sensors indicate no life-forms" on Pollux IV, but he should have meant "no animal life forms", since the planet has many vegetable life-forms (which are not an illusion created by Apollo, as they remain after the god goes away).

• The premise of this episode – that ancient mythological figures were powerful extra-terrestrial beings – would later become a driving premise of the science-fiction film Stargate and its television spin-offs.
• In the middle of the episode, Spock refers to Apollo by name, but no one on the ship could know about him – when Kirk and his team beamed down to the planet, their communicators had been disabled and Apollo had not identified himself before they beamed down. Although Spock would probably run a computer database check, so he could easily identify the entity.
• Chekov comment about the Cheshire Cat being Russian is self-contradicted soon by him saying it is from Minsk, so from Belarus. Belarus was unlikely to have been perceived by the 1967 American script writers as having a separate identity from Russia, however.

Nit, off topic, nit, nit/speculation. --Alan 20:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake in the "Background" section

It was stated in the background section of this episode: "Chekov comment about the Cheshire Cat being Russian is self-contradicted soon by him saying it's from Minsk, so from Belarus." Actually, at the time of the filming of this episode, Belarus was a member nation of the U.S.S.R. It was common (especially for Russian Soviets) to refer to anything originating in the U.S.S.R. as being "Russian". ~~Capt. Crunch~~

That was a common error at the time, and perhaps also should be noted, but Minsk was part of the Byelorussian SSR and not the Russian SFSR. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 14:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

"Czar of all the Russias" refers to "Great, Little and White", where "White Russia" is Belarus. The linked to wiki page talks about "[t]he Union of Russia and Belarus, a supranational confederation." Who's to say that by the time of TOS it's not all considered part of "Russia"?

I removed that section altogether. See above. --Alan 20:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] We find the one quite adequate

What happened to Star Trek avoiding religion? It seems quite clear that Christianity or some similar religion is still prominant when kirk says "we find the one quite adequate" when referring to Gods. Wheatleya 22:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Easy. For the most part the idea of Star Trek avoiding religion or the future being atheist is more a fan belief than one that actually happened in canon. From TOS on, there was religion depicted in Trek. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 23:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You also had the episode where the planets inhabitants worshiped the Son when everyone thought it was Sun. Bajor was huge in DS9. The Dominion. The Klingons. So yeah, they didn't avoid religion. – Morder 00:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

What episode was that? --TribbleFurSuit 01:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

"Bread and Circuses", I think. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 03:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I always took the Bajoran religion as just that - Bajoran. While Sisko got caught up in it, it seemed fairly clear that everyone else in starfleet considered it primative. But yes after seeing Bread and Circuses its very clear that chritianity was still a mainstream religion during TOS Wheatleya 19:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention "Balance of Terror". --OuroborosCobra ^talk 19:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't remember a single noticeable mention in TNG or Enterprise for that matter. I realise from a real world point of view these are more recent where atheism has become more prominant, or maybe the directors/writers simply didn't want to open that can of worms. Anyone want to chuck in an in-universe suggestion? Wheatleya 23:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Stewart's in-universe explanation when asked why baldness hadn't been cured was "In the 24th century, they wouldn't care". From this I extrapolate that, just as rightly, in the 24th century, human religion is a personal matter that doesn't intrude into professional or intercultural spheres. --TribbleFurSuit 01:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

In the TNG era (though on DS9), Kasidy Yates said that her mother would want her to be married by a priest. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 01:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

In Trek, explicit atheism is portrayed even less (infinitely less) than religion, in Trek's human culture as well as all the others. I doubt that "changin' times" has anything to do with it, and I also doubt that atheism's prominence has changed in one direction or the other over the times in the real-world anyway. I mean, come on! It was the sixties! If anything, certain religious voices are the ones that seem louder than ever today. Roddenberry himself, way back when, is the one who conceived humanity's "outgrowing" of religion. Anyway, I just realized that a lot of info is available here if you're just interested and aren't actually discussing this episode's article. --TribbleFurSuit 02:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Aha, just the article I was looking for, thanks! Wheatleya 23:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes section

Chekov's line ought to be "I am the Tsar of all the Russias" rather than "Russians". Not only was that the tsar's title, but that's what he says in the episode.--Moggy 17:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

What is stopping you from fixing it? --OuroborosCobra ^talk 18:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I did fix it, I just thought I'd be polite and mention it here, just in case. Not that it's a big issue...--Moggy 22:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)